Posts by FatFreek 2005

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The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

by FatFreek 2005 in

the year 1914 would be disappointing.

perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

FatFreek 2005

I lived through the 1975 debacle but as I imagine and place myself (in my mind) in the shoes of a JW just before 1914 (like Benjamin in his letter to his deceased grandparents), I actually don't think that they are parallel.

Before 1914, the believers had far more numerous and concrete things to look forward to -- 24 of them. The 1975 folks were looking for an inferred event since WT never said anything definite. Of course WT admitted that their implications went too far.

Before 1914, as that table of quotations reveals, WT gave those folks definite events in their future. It would be interesting if we had statistics of the falling away of those years.

1914 WT was worse than 1975 WT.

Len Miller

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Hello

by Hendrixgrip in

hi, this is my long overdue introduction.

i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.

i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.

FatFreek 2005

Hendrixguy, we are so proud of you. By the way what is this “growing tunnels” that you read about?

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The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

by FatFreek 2005 in

the year 1914 would be disappointing.

perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

FatFreek 2005

Good observations, Fink.

They didn't accept Jesus's commandment and admonishment to his faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time, for even he didn't know of the time.

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The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

by FatFreek 2005 in

the year 1914 would be disappointing.

perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

FatFreek 2005

The year 1914 would be disappointing. Perhaps even more so than The Great Disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a Baptist Preacher, William Miller. It placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity. To throngs of anxious followers (Estimates of Miller's followers -- the Millerites -- vary between 50,000 and 500,000) it was supposed to be the second coming of Christ.

It, of course, failed.

Watch Tower's Charles Taze Russell hadn't even been born by the time Miller passed away in 1849. However, when Russell published The Watch Tower, Miller was still considered a Brother in the faith to Russell and Rutherford. Strangely, he was even called "Father Miller" in various Watch Towers as late as the mid 1920's. In order to merit such a title I can only suppose that Watch Tower principal’s degree of admiration for Miller was still high.

The year 1914, in my humble opinion, would be The Great Disappointment II. Russell, within pages of Zion's Watchtower proceeded to prime his readership with new signals of what would happen in, and just prior to, this new target year.

More snippets follow:

For full article, click following link.

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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

by Earthmeasured in

sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

FatFreek 2005

Earth measured if you have a computer which I'm kind of convinced you do not you could go on to the free app called Google Earth and see what the globe looks like and then Spin and zoom in on various cities around the globe, Amsterdam, New York City, Sacramento, Sydney, Moscow, London, the North Pole and then the South Pole

Come back and report to us what you see

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I gotta have a perfect K-Cup machine replacement

by FatFreek 2005 in

jw
friends

yes, my keurig bit the dust after 14 years.

i want one just like it but that models not available.

it was only capable of a single cup, from 8 ounces to 12 ounces.

FatFreek 2005

Yes, my Keurig bit the dust after 14 years. I want one just like it but that models not available. It was only capable of a single cup, from 8 ounces to 12 ounces. It depended on how much water you put in the reservoir as to how much went through the K-cup.

In my case, and for Folgers Black Silk, 8.4 ounces (235 grams as measured by my kitchen scale) plus or minus a gram. Other types need different ounces. One off-brand and 205 grams makes an acceptable cup.

No, 8 ounces is too strong. 9 ounces is too weak.

Which is why I can't abide the automatic as it dispenses 8 or 10 or 12 ounces. I need infinite tween capability.

Oh, and it needs a sensor like my old Keurig. If I forget the water it doesn't work.

No, I don't want to get one at Walmart simply because I can take it back for a refund. That's not fair to Walmart -- and it's not fair to me if it doesn't meet my needs (unpackaging's always a hassle; then there's the clean cycle before you even use it; repackage and take back if it doesn't satisfy)

What do you use?

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The Society even admitted they had a problem with their pedophile leaders.

by new boy in

jw
friends

oh, yes, the society even admitted they had a problem with their leaders.

a january 1, 1986 watch tower article (p. 13) stated: “shocking as it is, some who have been prominent in jehovah’s organization have succumbed to homosexuality and child molesting.” .

in the watchtower article, they didn’t disclose the rest.

FatFreek 2005

and we have none NOTHING about it!”

Say what?

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All Watchtower Brooklyn sales in 37 NYC doc pages + spreadsheet

by Corney in

i have compiled 32 real property transfer reports (“reports”) and 5 recording and endorsement cover pages (“cover pages”) that are ny city public records and available online on a836-acris.nyc.gov site.

37 pages, 38 properties, $2.2bn, one society... enjoy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryaj_4ihgs1uoyeptkbzdbmw9rd12dmf/view?usp=sharing.

see also spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acdsqfusm5mi2zatfn87ksxmvrdzh0wfxg9nlomdszw/edit?usp=sharing.

FatFreek 2005

Good work

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Conventions

by Holden Caufield in

what did you make of the conventions i used to dread them.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6bhlhtbaos.

FatFreek 2005

I'm not quite ready to push daisies yet but there were moments during those 8 miserable days that I would've given anything for some escape.

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Nearly 500 migrant children taken from parents -- that's nothing compared to JW disfellowshipping

by FatFreek 2005 in

several months ago the news was intense about the hundreds of families broken apart by u.s. immigration.

many children were sometimes separated by their parents, sometimes for weeks at a time.

"still separated: nearly 500 migrant children taken from their parents remain in u.s. custody” aug 31, washington post.

FatFreek 2005

What follows is a complete table of values.

I repeat -- thanks to JWfacts and Paul Grundy's table, "Worldwide Watchtower Statistics", I used his figures from 1962 through 2015. I assumed "Average Publishers" is what WT uses for their 1% estimate of DF people.

For the missing years, 1952 through 1961, and 2016 and 2017, I extrapolated an additional estimate which is colored red.